Black Widow

[laurentTahiti]

Merci Ricoche,

Vraiment beau :wub:

Le mien(PSA V) arrive bientot :P ;) :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

[philippelobo]

Alors ? heureux ??? ;)

[laurentTahiti]

:wub:

Super content du BW mais j'ai quand meme un faible pour mes "Chastain" plus souple et aussi rapide.

Je suis équipé pour la vie !!!!!! ;) :wub:

50#(Chastain),60# (Black Widow PSA V)et 70#(chastain)

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l'avis du bow maker Ken Beck himself :

"Testing & Comparing Bow Performance

Twenty years ago, there were only a handful of bowyers with the knowledge and skill to build traditional bows. Today, there are literally hundreds. As a result of these many imaginative minds and skilled hands, the “bar” of performance and perfection has been raised several notches. We salute their accomplishments. As for us, as stated in our 2003 catalog, “We at Black Widow Bows, like warriors, bowyers and bowhunters before us, are on a never ending quest to create better designs, utilize better materials and develop better tools in order for our craftsmen to transform that design and those materials into a superior weapon that inspires confidence in the man that brings it to full draw”.

One of the many tools that we use at Black Widow to pursue the above goal is a shooting machine that enables us to accurately measure and compare performance. Our method of testing is as follows:

Each bow to be tested is set up with a 14 strand, Flemish-twist, DynaFLIGHT 97 string, 4 Spider string silencers, a tip protector and Spider Webb shelf rest/strike plate. All recurves are weighed and tested with an 8 ¼” brace height and all longbows with a 7” brace. The bows are weighed at 28” and 30” of draw. We use a precision, electronic digital scale that measures to 1/10th of a pound. The draw weights at 28” and 30” are multiplied by a standard 9 grains per pound of draw weight to calculate the weight of the arrows to be used in the testing. (We occasionally also test a heavy 12 grain per pound arrow.) We then build the specified arrows to within 1 grain of the calculated weight. For each test, the bow is drawn with a wench to the exact draw length (28” or 30”) and the mechanical release is then activated. We test at 30” because it has become a standard for comparison and also at 28” because it is more applicable to most shooters. We sometimes weigh bows, calculate arrow weights, and test at shorter or longer draws.

Each test requires only two or three shots through the chronograph. The readout will never vary more than 1 foot per second. If the first and second shot read the same, we record this f.p.s. figure. If not, we shoot a third arrow and record the “2 out of 3” figure.

As you can see, we do everything possible to scientifically level the playing field and make sure that we compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

So, what have we learned?

Quite often our customers are concerned about optimum limb length for optimum performance. A generalization can be made by stating that if you have a very short draw and shoot one of our longer limb bows, you will not get optimum performance for your short draw. Conversely, if you have a very long draw and shoot one of our shorter limb bows, you will not obtain optimum performance for your long draw. If, based on your draw length, you stay within the guidelines of the “Recommended Limb Lengths” shown in the Black Widow catalog for each of the models, there will be only a minor (1 or 2 f.p.s.) difference in performance between the options that apply to your draw length.

Even though we test using a standard arrow weight of 9 grains of arrow per pound of bow draw weight, a heavier draw weight will produce proportionately better velocity than a lighter draw weight. Therefore, it is necessary to test bows of similar draw weights (as well as limb lengths) when comparing results.

When comparing Black Widow recurves with Black Widow longbows of appropriate limb lengths and similar draw weights, the recurves will perform about 5 to 9 f.p.s. better.

At the risk of sounding self-serving, we can tell you that, to date, we have never tested another bowyers’ product that exceeded the fastest Black Widow that we have tested. However, even though we have tested many other bowyer’s products, we have not tested a wide variety of their models, limb lengths and draw weights. We certainly acknowledge that someone may make a bow that shoots faster than some Black Widows or even faster than the fastest Black Widow. But if we have learned one thing, it is this: When tested scientifically, as previously described, the difference in the performance of the top traditional bows of today is minimal. The maximum difference in the bows we have tested was 9 f.p.s. and the majority was in the range of less than 5 f.p.s.

If anyone would like to bring their bows (Black Widows or otherwise) to our facility to test as previously described, you are welcome. Please give us a call to make arrangements.

In conclusion, what you already know can be reiterated. That is, your decision of selecting a bow should be based on considerations other than f.p.s. For instance: feel, craftsmanship, durability, delivery, service and most importantly, accuracy. If you find a bow that looks good to you, feels good to you, shoots good for you and you have confidence in its reliability and the people standing behind it…then that is the right bow for you and it matters not whose brand it wears. We are very grateful if that brand happens to be a “spider”.

Shoot Straight, Ken Beck "

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une des evolutions du PSR

la poignée

[Pillet]

les black widows ont une très bonne réputation dans mon club qu meme titre que les black douglass mais questino prix bonjour...moi je flash bien sur les great plane qui sont plus raisonables au niveau du prix et ont presque la meme typologie avec un grip très en avant...

si vous avez expérience sur les greeat plane merci de m'en faire part

hugues pillet

[Le Grand Yaka]

Je possède depuis peu un Reiver Border xp 30.

Je l'ai comparé à l'échauffement avant un parcours avec un Great Plains Red River.Les deux arcs sont annocées à la même puissance mais le Border doit faire 2 lbs de moins.Le Red River possédait des silencieux de corde en laine proche des poupées et le mien rien.Les deux sont tirés au tapis et sont correctement réglés Voilà mes sensations sur une dizaines de flèches.2117 28" 32grammes. (les miennes.)

*La prise en main est très agréable, très conventionnelle et j'imagine conviendra au plus grand nombre.

*Elle procure un certaine stabilité car elle est avancée.

*L'arc est d'une souplesse déconcertante. A la même puissance j'ai l'impression d'allonger 70lbs avec mon Border.Le GP est plus souple qu'un Black Wibow démontable, mais de peu.

*Lors du tir la stabilité est très grande, mais je ne jurerai rien sur l'équilibrage(l'équilibre "dynamique" qui est je trouve très grand sur le mien)

*La vitesse de sortie est très inferieure par rapport au Border.

Pour les mauvaises langues qui pensent que je ne saurai être objectif quand à ce dernier point, et que les archers pensent toujours que leur arcs est le plus rapide qu'ils achètent des Samicks.

:hihahiha: :banana: :banana: :banana: :hihahiha:

Edited September 23, 2005 by Le Grand Yaka